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    Views on new Harley lineup?

    Is it just me, or do many of the new Milwaulkee 8 big twins look more like the Jap Harley clones than real Harleys? Have Harley lost the plot a bit with the new line up? It seems that the Sportster is one of the few which retains what a lot of people bought Harleys for, especially Dynas, the classic lines and looks which were unmistakably Harley, however antiquated the technology. It was the sight and sound of the big twins that appealed to me, and now that seems dead in the water. I guess it's in the eye of the beholder, but I for one won't be rushing out to swap my XL1200 for any of the new range of big twins. Such a shame that they felt in necessary to move the image in time instead of building on it as a tradition. Many might disagree strongly but I suspect the new range will evoke quite a few marmite type views!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckhornBud View Post
    Is it just me, or do many of the new Milwaulkee 8 big twins look more like the Jap Harley clones than real Harleys? Have Harley lost the plot a bit with the new line up? It seems that the Sportster is one of the few which retains what a lot of people bought Harleys for, especially Dynas, the classic lines and looks which were unmistakably Harley, however antiquated the technology. It was the sight and sound of the big twins that appealed to me, and now that seems dead in the water. I guess it's in the eye of the beholder, but I for one won't be rushing out to swap my XL1200 for any of the new range of big twins. Such a shame that they felt in necessary to move the image in time instead of building on it as a tradition. Many might disagree strongly but I suspect the new range will evoke quite a few marmite type views!
    Like all change there will be people that like it and those that don't. I think HD are trying, maybe to hard, to appeal to a broader market. How that works out we'll know soon enough when the HD quarterly return are out. I particularly like twin shocks on Harley so the softail range isn't my thing, and I really don't like the restyled fat boy. If I'd not been such a sportster nut it would have been the dynas that floated my boat, not the softails. I'm curious as to how the new HD s will be received. I'm going to Edinburgh hd this weekend and to biketoberfest in a few weeks so it'll be interesting to see the reaction to them on different sides of the Atlantic.
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    Many people have already rushed out to get a trade deal on the new 18 models across the pond and are impressed with the stonking 114 engine fitted as standard to many models and the improved handling. Those that buy invariably praise and think they're great..... and those that don't, usually due to affordability berate......

    The green-eyed monster is alive. Having recently lashed out an inordinate amount of money on one of the last traditional 110s I am currently happy with my lot, nevertheless if I hadn't I would be rushing out to get an 18 114 Fat Bob and yes I would undoubtedly be just as happy! The new engines despite their oil sumping issues have some impressive figures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K9F View Post
    Many people have already rushed out to get a trade deal on the new 18 models across the pond and are impressed with the stonking 114 engine fitted as standard to many models and the improved handling. Those that buy invariably praise and think they're great..... and those that don't, usually due to affordability berate......

    The green-eyed monster is alive. Having recently lashed out an inordinate amount of money on one of the last traditional 110s I am currently happy with my lot, nevertheless if I hadn't I would be rushing out to get an 18 114 Fat Bob and yes I would undoubtedly be just as happy! The new engines despite their oil sumping issues have some impressive figures.
    It's been the same with Harleys since the beginning. Each time they have made a major change,there are those who love or hate it. Flathead, knucklehead, panhead, shovelhead, evolution, twin cam and now Milwaukee 8+ a new range superseding an old one. Think it's just as much down to personal taste as affordability, or any number of reasons that people will not like them. The important thing is that they sell and keep the motor company viable for years to come. That way we all benefit. And remember, opinions are like arseholes, we all have one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whistler View Post
    ......The important thing is that they sell and keep the motor company viable for years to come. That way we all benefit. And remember, opinions are like arseholes, we all have one.
    100% in agreement. No point asking me what I think of the new range, apart from a couple of models (both of which I have experienced and purchased) nothing else floated my boat at all in the old range.

    Quote Originally Posted by BuckhornBud View Post
    ...... I guess it's in the eye of the beholder, but I for one won't be rushing out to swap my XL1200 for any of the new range of big twins.
    Performance, comfort, handling have all improved drastically and aesthetically they're not that different. Upgrading from a 1200 design relic to a larger big twin is a wonderful experience having done exactly that myself! If you're happy so be it but if you want a more reasoned opinion go test ride one when they get them in and then get back on the forum with an update. Many in the USA already have test ridden and purchased and their opinions make pleasant reading and matter.
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    Most Harley Riders have a larger disposable income to others. They also tend to know less about bikes and have less experience riding them but see HD as a status and safe option. They always rave about stage 1 and new engines but don’t truly understand them just know they are new and shiney and cost more so must be good.

    The new range is what it is. I wouldn’t rush to buy a M8 and watercooled isn’t for me. I’ve had loads of them to chose from other manufacturers and never bitten.
    I am far more impressed by a 10-20 year old bike that’s been customised and maintained than seeing a factory fresh clinically dull model. So if it was me I’d save yourself a few quid and get a classic although as I type this I have to say the Road King Special has great potential if you must.


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    I have only looked at the pictures of the new lineup and that's it with regards to the new.

    I think the bikes do look ok but will not be buying one..I have my bike and I am very happy with it and also can't afford a new one as I have not really worked in three years..I still have stuff to do on my bike first..my bike, my thing, my time..my my that's a lot of my?


    Times change and so will motorbikes. Whenever changes happen it tends to get a lot of negativity before acceptance. These bikes will sell to those that can afford them, those that love the look of them, those that want to pose on them,those that know nothing about them and those that are new to them etc. Without "those" people Harley and other brands wouldn't be here.





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    Not seen the 2018 Street Bob in the flesh yet, so going on pics and spec.

    Don't like
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    Instrument lay out looks Interesting, will see what it really looks like.

    Like thought of less weight and bigger Motor.
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    Will reserve full judgement until seen one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whistler View Post
    Like all change there will be people that like it and those that don't. I think HD are trying, maybe to hard, to appeal to a broader market. How that works out we'll know soon enough when the HD quarterly return are out. I particularly like twin shocks on Harley so the softail range isn't my thing, and I really don't like the restyled fat boy. If I'd not been such a sportster nut it would have been the dynas that floated my boat, not the softails. I'm curious as to how the new HD s will be received. I'm going to Edinburgh hd this weekend and to biketoberfest in a few weeks so it'll be interesting to see the reaction to them on different sides of the Atlantic.
    I think you've summed it up nice and succinctly there Whistler.

    I too like the twin shock look, and (referring to other comments on this thread) even the latest Harley range can be described as "relics" compared to the far more cutting edge designs from the East, and from Austria and Bavaria. Describing the Sportster line up as "relics" is disingenuous as it misrepresents what they are, and to whom they appeal....misses the point completely. I have transformed mine from standard, with the help of people like Hagon and engine tuning specialists to make it handle and go like it should have done from standard. It's a complete hoot to ride now.

    There's also no "green eyed monster" about it. I am very fortunate, in that if I wanted to, I could easily go out and buy a brand new model from anywhere in the range, even if it set me back £30K. It wouldn't dent the finances. I choose not to because having ridden most of last year's range, only three bikes really appealed to me:

    The Street Bob, the Low rider S and the Sportster XL1200. Bought the Sportster because with a little fettling, it gives little real world performance away to the others, is more nimble and I just liked the styling of the Custom model with its very 1950's retro looks, spoked wheels and clean lines. It represents a gentler and much simpler age, and the beauty for me is in both the simplicity and rugged, proven reliability of those models. I tend to put up a fair few miles on the bike, my first service due well before a month of riding was up, and I have enoyed every mile of that ride, and the imrovements I've made to the bike since then.

    Harley were forced through tighter emissions standards to move the game on, towards water cooled (partial water cooling) big twins. Power gains are minimal but the spread of power and torque has been spread out over a more useful range. However, the older 110 CI of the Low Rider S still kicks sand in their collective fins in shear grunt (according to some reports by those who have ridden both).

    Whatever people think of the new range, I wish Harley well and hope that they continue to have a strong future, but their new line up is definitely not for me, and I won't be investing in anything from their current revamped range. If I want a modern hi-tech tourer or sports bike, I wouldn't buy any Harley. It's not what they're about and its not what they do as well as others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dod View Post
    I have only looked at the pictures of the new lineup and that's it with regards to the new.

    I think the bikes do look ok but will not be buying one..I have my bike and I am very happy with it and also can't afford a new one as I have not really worked in three years..I still have stuff to do on my bike first..my bike, my thing, my time..my my that's a lot of my?


    Times change and so will motorbikes. Whenever changes happen it tends to get a lot of negativity before acceptance. These bikes will sell to those that can afford them, those that love the look of them, those that want to pose on them,those that know nothing about them and those that are new to them etc. Without "those" people Harley and other brands wouldn't be here.




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    Yes, a good point and an important one for Harley. They have a challenge on their hands though, because the styling and rugged more old fashioned looks of the older models tied in nicely with the carefully manicured lifestyle image that Harley have tried so hard to sell over recent years, and the new range doesn't quite seem to fit into this image quite as well. It's a bit like a new kid starting school, arriving in fashionable threads that out-do the other kids, and he doesn't quite fit in. I've already noted some major tweaking of the lifestyle image marketing as a result. I'm sure they'll do well but in doing so, they'll also alienate those who valued the more simple "antiquated" designs, for whom the used market will become their plaything.

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